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25 February 2018

Chaos And Pain Hatecast Episode 1- Talkin' Bout Some Gear

Andrea Munzer took so much gear that just looking at a pic of him means you're no longer natty.

The first official episode of Chaos and Pain's Hatecast is up on Youtube and ready for your listening pleasure.  Still working on the Stitcher and iTunes uploads, but they're coming soon.  In this episode we talk about my gear use, PCT, Andreas Munzer's ridiculous stack (here's an interview with Nasser El Sonbaty about Munzer that's worth a read), why you're not actually going to shit out your liver on Superdrol, and much more.

21 comments:

  1. Only part way through listening to it, but so far, very interesting.
    Maximum respect to you for being so open about things too Jamie.
    Looking forward to listening to the rest of it, had to stop because there's a great documentary about the death penalty on tv.

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  2. I liked the early days of ChAoS & PAIN, where all the comments were people saying "you can only do that on steroids" and "you'll regret this training when you hit 30".

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    1. Lol, a lot of that would have been me as 'Rant'. I was a bit high when i wrote the above comment last night, out of character for me.

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    2. Hahahaha. How many pseudonyms do you have? Man, people fucking hated you in those days. And I actually just had someone tell me that I don't know how it is getting older, and that there's no way I can keep this shit up- when I hit 40 I am fucked. I was like, bro, I'm 41... you're just a pussy, hahaha. Dude practically shit his pants.

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  3. I just wanked off to this -

    https://m.liveleak.com/view?i=14f_1279854373

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    1. It's amazing how long it takes to cut off someone's head. And it's been too long since someone randomly linked an execution on this site, haha.

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    2. Isis do beheadings in 3-4 secs. Saudi Arabian executions are pretty much instant. They wanted him to suffer and drown in his own blood.

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  4. Never done anabolic steroids. My thought is that I take more pride in doing whatever level of physical endeavour without them. Say I took that stuff and everything rocketed. What would that do for me? I mean, all that I would think is, the roids did it. I don't need to be hyper strong, it is a game, it is a diversion. But I need to be healthy, be wealthy. Blasting gear does not. Seem to be a path to that end.
    I don't mind roiders lifting in non tested Feds. But I think they are lowdown to cheat in tested meets.
    All of this is subjective. You may say, what do I care, it's my life. Sure, paedophiles rapists smack dealers, pimps and all the other lice on humanity may say something similar.
    Interesting subject. Point is I suppose is that taking roids is an easy step but once you take that step, you are a different person.

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    1. Pedos and rapists, as well as pimps and drug dealers to a degree, are completely different than steroid users. They are both perpetrating horrible trauma on another individual without their consent, while steroid use involves only ones decision with their own body.

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    2. Moreover, when you hit a certain level of strength and physical development, no one believes you're natural at that point anyway. So you have social stigma without any justification. At that point, there is no reason NOT to use gear. Additionally, your application of morality to steroid use is bizarre. You're simply drawing a very arbitrary line in the sand and declaring that anyone who goes past that line is one the level of a sexual predator, which is as intellectually offensive as it is retarded.

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    3. That was redundant- it is highly illogical and displays a moral absolutism that transcends that of hardline Islamic psychopaths. how the fuck can you even tolerate my writing with such a bizarrely narrow worldview?

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    4. No, my friend, I am not equating a roider with a paedo or a murderer. What I was saying is that I object to the roider competing in tested feds as I think that is harmful to others. Now if the roider does not care about others, that is where I see the comparison. However I would not equate a ped user with a paedo.
      I admire Jamie being open with his usage and have nothing against him using.


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    5. "Moreover, when you hit a certain level of strength and physical development, no one believes you're natural at that point anyway."
      True enough, people love to pull down those who can do what they cannot. But people think a lot of crap anyway.

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    6. "And I actually just had someone tell me that I don't know how it is getting older, and that there's no way I can keep this shit up- when I hit 40 I am fucked. I was like, bro, I'm 41..."
      I am 52, makes little difference. Tendonitis is an issue. I found I hardened up over the years. Starting at 18.

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    7. That's still a massive logical leap. It's not as though they're taking food out of peoples' mouths, and cheating in a pastime is hardly comparable to rape.

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    8. Ok Aristotle. Anyway what is your opinion on sarms? Also what about soya as a serm? I read a medical study making the case. Thanks.

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  5. I think the most valuable thing to take away from this episode is: ‘Fuck umbrellas!’

    In all seriousness though, good stuff, looking forward to future instalments. I sense an impending Reddit meltdown from this particular episode haha.

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    1. Hahahaha. I'm psyched people are loving this so much.

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  6. Kudos for finally coming out about it.

    I think the rabid focus on the issue, at least from the people I know and myself (although that was in the past, I really dont care much any more), is that the entire industry has been built on the idea that if you just work hard enough you can look like a pro BB, or hold a world record... When in fact all of that stuff is being done by steroid users. So the desire to find out "well, what CAN I actually do?" after being sold a fantasy becomes very strong.

    I believe Thats where a lot of program hopping and training over complication comes from. People genuinely busting their ass and still not looking like Arnold or lifting like Kaz and going "well, that program must not have worked." Obviously there is a culture of internet saddies who wouldnt amount to shit anyway, but for the genuine BBing lovers out there who remain natty, it can be a bit of a disillusionment to find out EVERYONE is on the shit.

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  7. Yeterday I took ARez God of the Gym preworkout(white).
    Knocked me sideways, way stronger than anything I have taken from the chaos and pain range. Next time it will be a cautious half scope. I don't know how it works but I took it at 11 am, hammered ther gym, cleaned all the house went to work at 6 pm I managed to sleep not too bad that night and this morning I woke at 11 and I was still high on it. Went for a two mile run to check if I was OK and it went well. But it is like wrestling a grizzly.

    Seriously, I am no stranger to ephedrine and dmaa, but this was something else.

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